the "Loch Glashan" - Iron Age leather satchel / haversack

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the "Loch Glashan" - Iron Age leather satchel / haversack

Postby Elleth » Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:04 pm

I don't think I've heard of this one - interesting!
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We recreated a leather satchel based on the rare but fortunate survival of leather fragments from a water-logged site at Loch Glashan in Argyll, dating from the 6th or 7th centuries AD.
Maker: Ian Dunlop of SodaKitsch.


https://www.nms.ac.uk/collections-resea ... -satchels/

Reconstructed from this find, dated by the Scottish National Museums to AD 6th-7th centuries.
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And now I see a number of reproductions out there, some quite good.
Most vendors seem to be calling it a "crannog bag" due to the find location.
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I don't think I want one exactly like it - at least not for Middle-earth purposes - but it's still exciting to see the reference!
I wasn't certain about documented side gusset panels in leather bags so early - looks like it's just fine! :mrgreen:
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Re: the "Loch Glashan" - Iron Age leather satchel / haversack

Postby Greg » Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:35 pm

More often than not, I think we find bags like this being made with a front and back panel, and with a single gusset that goes all the way from one side to the other. I think I like the shape of this one more. Neat!
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Postby Elleth » Wed Oct 09, 2019 12:37 am

Isn't it cool?

It's the way the top panel is stitched down that I find interesting - it really reminds me of nicer 18th-19th century shot pouches.
I assume that stitching induces a bit of a bias to keep the flap closed - much more so that it would have just flopping over at any rate. Makes me wonder if that was the intention, or if it just falls out of something else they were doing?

By any chance do you know of an extant bag with the wrap-around gusset? I've been working up to another belt pouch, but don't quite know where it's going to go yet.
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Re: the "Loch Glashan" - Iron Age leather satchel / haversack

Postby Greg » Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:09 am

Elleth wrote:By any chance do you know of an extant bag with the wrap-around gusset?


...

...my hawking bag?


Historically speaking...no.
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Re: the "Loch Glashan" - Iron Age leather satchel / haversack

Postby Elleth » Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:37 pm

Ah! Of course. :)

I was referring to historical examples however.
(edit - DERP! Just saw the funny text. oops! :mrgreen: )

I've been looking at this page and seen lots of interesting things -

https://europa.org.au/index.php/articles/21-bags

As well as larsdatter, of course.

I don't offhand recall seeing definitive evidence of the wrap-around gusset construction yet, though it seems both the Birka pouch and the Sutton Hoo pouch lid imply it I think.
At least the reconstructions I've seen use that method, but I believe they're only best-guess interpretations based on incomplete survivals.

There was a particular belt pouch reconstruction I quite liked the shape/construction of I ran across a few weeks ago -
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... from
https://blog.leathersmithdesigns.com/vi ... x-meadows/

The Viking outfit worn by this fellow has an interesting closure on his leather belt pouch. It looks like a bone, wooden pet or antler tip with a leather lace loop that secures over it to keep the flap closed.


I think I'd shorten the belt loops a bit, and I'm still not sure about the closure - but I like the way that U-welt swells in the center to make the "bowl" of the pouch wider than the mouth.


(not arguing at all for this in a Dunedain context however: more just general historical costuming geekery for the moment. :mrgreen: )
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Re: the "Loch Glashan" - Iron Age leather satchel / haversack

Postby Udwin » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:28 pm

Excellent discovery! I'd not heard of this example before, either, but I like the look.

To me, the bag in the third picture with the flannel'd wearer fairly screams 'iron age'--due not only to the background but especially to their use of a period-appropriate tanning method...it looks to be made of barktan (or possibly heavy braintan) that has seen some use (different areas have different wear patterns and grime, suggesting a history of carry) - this looks like an authentic artifact, not a costume 'replica'. Just some brainfood to chew on!
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Re: the "Loch Glashan" - Iron Age leather satchel / haversack

Postby Elleth » Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:33 am

To me, the bag in the third picture with the flannel'd wearer fairly screams 'iron age'--due not only to the background but especially to their use of a period-appropriate tanning method


Absolutely!

I'm also thinking that wide lacing isn't just from lacking proper needles and thread. Especially in something like deerskin, I bet it added quite a bit of stiffness and body to the finished bag.
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Re: the "Loch Glashan" - Iron Age leather satchel / haversack

Postby Greg » Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:23 am

Udwin, very true. The bag looks legit. I can't believe the insane price being asked for it on etsy, though. Yikes.
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Re: the "Loch Glashan" - Iron Age leather satchel / haversack

Postby Elleth » Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:32 am

Given the cost of the more conventional rendition of the bag by the same seller, I'm willing to bet almost all of the price difference is in the cost of the hide -
"special Scottish red deerskin, historically acorn tanned by hand at the woodland tannery in Fife."

http://woodlandtannery.co.uk/?page_id=68

I want to say that means there might be a grand opportunity for Udwin in selling such hides - but I suspect there's more than enough work in making them to make it a pauper's gig.

Gosh it's beautiful work though.
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