Review: "Elfin" Rattan Recurve by Bows of the Risen Son

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Re: Review: "Elfin" Rattan Recurve by Bows of the Risen Son

Postby grimwulf » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:33 pm

that is one nice looking bow.
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Re: Review: "Elfin" Rattan Recurve by Bows of the Risen Son

Postby Aaron » Fri Mar 20, 2015 12:55 am

Dang, I really need to start dropping by more often. I'm missing out on some great threads.

Greg, awesome review! The bow being 51" NTN threw me for a loop, because it looks so much shorter to me. In comparison, my horsebow is only an inch longer NTN, but looks far longer:

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I think it's the thickness of your bow that's throwing off my perception. Sure is a handsome piece, though! The deep recurves remind me heavily of Legolas's Mirkwood bow, which is my favorite fantasy bow.


P.S. About the 'elfin'/'elven' issue: I like the term elven more, and agree with Tolkien's reasons for using it, but elfin is the traditionally correct usage in English.
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Re: Review: "Elfin" Rattan Recurve by Bows of the Risen Son

Postby Manveruon » Fri Mar 20, 2015 3:09 am

Aaron: maybe you've addressed this elsewhere on the forums before, but I can't recall: where did your bow come from?
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Re: Review: "Elfin" Rattan Recurve by Bows of the Risen Son

Postby Greg » Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:58 pm

I think yours looks deceptively longer due to the brace height differences. There's a myth floating around that the ideal brace height for any traditional (non-compound bow) is 6-7". I firmly believe that a bow's brace height should be more-or-less proportionate to the overall length. Having a massive brace height on a small bow limits the power stroke, which gives the bow less time to accelerate the arrow, which can not only affect the speed, but also how the spine performs. Physics!

These bows come with a 7" brace height, but I took some spare paracord (before ordering a custom string that wouldn't necessarily be the perfect length I wanted) and experimented with a few lengths until I found a brace height that shot well for me, felt right, and, incidentally, would take a little tension off the limbs when the bow's strung to alleviate some of the long-term concerns I and others have discussed regarding the rattan taking a set. This should allow me to more comfortably carry the bow strung on the trail for longer periods, etc., but it also opened up the possibility of occasionally friction-stowing the bow on my bedroll to climb up a hill with both hands free, etc.
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Re: Review: "Elfin" Rattan Recurve by Bows of the Risen Son

Postby ineffableone » Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:32 pm

A big part of brace height is it needs to be enough to give room for the fletching. If you have 5" feathers, then from the tip of your arrow nock to the front of the feather is going to be over 6", somewhere around 6 1/4 to 6 1/2. Thus you get the typical average of 6 1/2" to 7" brace height, because you want a little room beyond your fletching and the bow.

But something a lot of folks new to archery don't understand is brace height is not set in stone and can vary bow to bow and user to user. You can have a lower brace height or a taller brace height. If you choose and can fit your fletching in the space. Though the brace height does effect performance. A shorted brace height means a longer power stroke and faster arrow speed. A taller brace height shorter power stroke and slower speed. Short brace heights however are less forgiving to poor form and takes more skill to shoot as well as increases your chances of the string hitting your forearm. Taller brace height is more forgiving and if you don't have perfect form will smooth out some of your mistakes, as well as having less chance for the string to hit your fore arm.

The 6 1/2" to 7" is generally just a general guide for beginners. It is not in any way a hard and fast rule. Experiment and find what you like the best. See what your bow likes too. Because different bows will perform better with different brace heights.
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Re: Review: "Elfin" Rattan Recurve by Bows of the Risen Son

Postby Aaron » Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:36 pm

Manveruon wrote:Aaron: maybe you've addressed this elsewhere on the forums before, but I can't recall: where did your bow come from?


I posted about it, but it was a couple of years ago now. I got it from Rudderbows, though they no longer make this model. Jim said mine was probably the last one he was going to make.

Greg, the brace height could be what's throwing me off. BH on my bow is 4.5". Fistmele is really only "proper" for ELBs, though works great on most larger bows.

Edit: The BH only being 4.5" on my bow is really throwing me off, since it looks about 6" in my pic when calculating proportions. NTN is about 8.5 times longer than the BH in that pic, which puts it juuust over 6"....I wonder if my string has stretched? Shouldn't be happening, though I'm not altogether displeased with the current BH. It's also currently measuring 53.25" NTN.

Hmmmmm
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Re: Review: "Elfin" Rattan Recurve by Bows of the Risen Son

Postby Greg » Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:33 am

What's your string made of?

Ineffableone, great info, all true! I hope you folks are paying attention...he knows what he's talking about!
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Re: Review: "Elfin" Rattan Recurve by Bows of the Risen Son

Postby ineffableone » Sun Mar 22, 2015 3:56 am

Oh it should also be mentioned, if your shooting off the knuckle, or have a very small cut out window. Brace height will effect the spine of your arrow. If you have a low brace height, you will need a lower spine to achieve the archer's paradox to bend the arrow around the bow. But taller your brace height, stiffer your arrows can be as they have further to gain the paradox bend to get around the bow.

This is why a lot of people prefer cut to center bows, they can have a higher spined arrow. and the brace height doesn't effect their spine weight.
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Re: Review: "Elfin" Rattan Recurve by Bows of the Risen Son

Postby Aaron » Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:41 pm

Greg wrote:What's your string made of?

Ineffableone, great info, all true! I hope you folks are paying attention...he knows what he's talking about!


As far as I know, dacron.

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