Numenorean design motifs

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Re: Numenorean design motifs

Postby Iodo » Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:44 pm

Inspiration from an unlikely source

I was researching Victorian and Edwardian metal engraving, specifically on guns, for a steampunk costume I've been working on and here's the page of sketches I ended up with after studying a lot of pictures on google:

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And I still can't get over how similar some of the patterning is to the designs on this thread, I have no idea if this was one of Tolkien's inspirations or if it's just pure coincidence :?:

Food for thought anyway :mrgreen:
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Re: Numenorean design motifs

Postby caedmon » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:27 pm

Iodo wrote:Inspiration from an unlikely source

I was researching Victorian and Edwardian metal engraving, specifically on guns, for a steampunk costume I've been working on and here's the page of sketches I ended up with after studying a lot of pictures on google:


And I still can't get over how similar some of the patterning is to the designs on this thread, I have no idea if this was one of Tolkien's inspirations or if it's just pure coincidence :?:

Food for thought anyway :mrgreen:



Oh, yes. The Professor was VERY influenced by the illustration and craft design of his childhood. You should compare his work to the illustrator Kay Nielson. I had a big op

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Re: Numenorean design motifs

Postby Iodo » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:48 pm

caedmon wrote:Oh, yes. The Professor was VERY influenced by the illustration and craft design of his childhood. You should compare his work to the illustrator Kay Nielson. I had a big op

Wow, up until now I hadn't heard of Kay Nielsen, his art is so similar to Tolkien's, very cool :P
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Re: Numenorean design motifs

Postby Darnokthemage » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:05 pm

I have to protest! The third drawing is actually made by John Bauer, One of SWEDENS (NOT DENMARKS! >:() finest artist, here are some more works of his.

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Re: Numenorean design motifs

Postby Iodo » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:19 am

I don't stand a chance of noticing such things :mrgreen:
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Re: Numenorean design motifs

Postby Elleth » Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:14 am

Well this is cool -

looking through Cedarlore's back catalog, I saw a reference to this thing he made some time back using some of the Professor's doodle-patterns:

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I have loved that flower-in-a-wedge pattern of his for ages. How cool to see it in use!

... and it seems it would pair quite nicely with caedmon's girdle-pouch. :mrgreen:
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Re: Numenorean design motifs

Postby caedmon » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:23 pm

The recent question on Dunedain penannulars had me thinking, tried top stretch into some Numenorean territory beyond the simple arclines and lotus I've been playing with to this point.


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Re: Numenorean design motifs

Postby Udwin » Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:27 pm

caedmon wrote:The recent question on Dunedain penannulars had me thinking, tried top stretch into some Numenorean territory beyond the simple arclines and lotus I've been playing with to this point.


0_0 Welp that's impressive. I definitely buy it as Dunedain.
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Re: Numenorean design motifs

Postby Greg » Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:16 am

It's so funny...we all collectively thought that design looked wonky, but now that we see it on an actual piece, it totally works!

Just like the carpet and the other motifs we've looked at...they seem odd in a drawing, but when they get embroidered onto something or scribed into leather, they come alive. I can't ever second-guess a design again!
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Re: Numenorean design motifs

Postby caedmon » Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:19 pm

One more because I can't get it out of my head. This one overlaid on the 9th c. irish penannular that inspired it.


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Re: Numenorean design motifs

Postby Manveruon » Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:03 pm

That is STUNNING! My thoughts mirror Greg’s almost directly - I absolutely detested the design when I saw it first, but in this context it is PERFECT. Looks absolutely believable as an authentic cultural embellishment!
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Re: Numenorean design motifs

Postby Udwin » Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:49 pm

Jack, what's the size on the size on that Irish example? Trying to get an idea of how small those design would be engraved.
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Re: Numenorean design motifs

Postby caedmon » Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:40 am

Udwin wrote:Jack, what's the size on the size on that Irish example? Trying to get an idea of how small those design would be engraved.



The original is in the Walter’s Art Museum in Baltimore. The diameter is 65mm, and the pin is 125mm.

The dunedain spiralwork is MUCH more intricate than the original triskelion, and May not be very practical.
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