Working on a Bree-lander kit

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Re: Working on a Bree-lander kit

Postby caedmon » Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:43 pm

Are there any references to waistcoats or jerkins in Bree?
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Re: Working on a Bree-lander kit

Postby Taurinor » Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:08 pm

caedmon wrote:Are there any references to waistcoats or jerkins in Bree?

Not that I've found. :(

My clothing references largely consist of the quote from Letter 211 and bits of clothing belonging to groups known to travel through/trade with Bree. A waistcoat could fall into the latter group - Bilbo wore a "embroidered silk waistcoat" with "golden buttons" and gifted "a woollen waistcoat" to Old Gaffer Gamgee (FotR, Book I, Chapter 1: "A Long-expected Party"). Since there is travel and trade between Bree and the Shire, it's possible that some fashion-based cultural exchange could be happening, and waistcoats could be worn in Bree, but I haven't found any direct references.

Greg covered the two references to jerkins here, and neither of them are in Bree. He made a good case for the possibility of rangers wearing them, though!
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Re: Working on a Bree-lander kit

Postby Taurinor » Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:00 am

Sorry about the double post, but I did find something - Butterbur is wearing a garment with a pocket, from which he produces Gandalf's letter to Frodo (FotR, Book I, Chapter 10: "Strider"). This could be a pocket in his breeches - Letter 211 specifies "that males, especially in northern parts such as the Shire, would wear breeches" and Bilbo and Frodo both carry the ring in a breeches pocket, specifically (FotR, Book 1, Chapter 5: "A Conspiracy Unmasked" and Chapter 2: "The Shadow of the Past"). It's also possible that he is wearing a waistcoat or the like with pockets, though. Or, although it seems odd to me, he could have a pocket in a tunic, like Sam does - "...hidden away in a pocket of his tunic next his breast the phial of Galadriel and the little box that she gave him for his own" (RotK, Book VI, Chapter 3: "Mount Doom").

The first option suggests that I should be wearing later period breeches than the ones that I wear, though... :oops:
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Re: Working on a Bree-lander kit

Postby caedmon » Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:29 am

The reason I ask is that I've recently changed focus, and have been working on a Bree kit myself. Trying to work out what it should look like.

I have a 14th c. Hrolfness 63 cote that can pass as late 17th c., a new tunic that is attempting to be a Hjrolfness #33 adapted to the American Fur trade Era, and am working on late 16th c. breeches adapted from the Thorsbjerg Trouser pattern.

Trying to decide if I need a waistcoat as well. Thinking of something like the guy on the left in this pattern.

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Re: Working on a Bree-lander kit

Postby Greg » Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:40 am

I feel like there's a lot of Bree in the Chap on the left...perhaps with soft shoes instead of buckled late-period shoes, and a hood for outdoors?
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Re: Working on a Bree-lander kit

Postby Taurinor » Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:13 am

I agree with Greg - the fellow on the left is not too far off from how I picture Butterbur! I've also worn an 18th century short jacket in other contexts, and quite like them.

With my soft kit, I was influenced (at least in general form) by the Quintfall Hill Clothing -

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I didn't want to go too far into the 18th or 19th century, because that seems very Shire-ish to me, but I also didn't want to use earlier medieval styles, which seemed more appropriate for rangers and Rohirrim and the like. The cut of my 14th century cote (thank goodness for the Herjolfsnes finds!) has similar lines to the Quintfall jacket, so I made 17th century style breeches to try to satisfy the statement in Letter 211 and added a hood to "medieval-ify" the look a bit.

What I've been trying to do with my impression is to try to acknowledge that the Shire to the West and the rangers to the East are both going be influences on Bree (even if there is no accounting for either!), but also to try to avoid just averaging the two together. Bree is its own distinct culture, and Breelanders want to keep it that way!
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Re: Working on a Bree-lander kit

Postby Elleth » Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:04 am

Interesting - I like it!

How do you think that jacket would look with points or toggles? I'm thinking it might pull the look back out of high-medieval Europe into a more "folksy medieval" feel if that would help.

I've been watching the Tudor Monastary Farm series lately (LOVING it!) and find the pointed doublets and wrap-around jackets the menfolk wear interesting - and rather Bree-like.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1ERDYjsHBg

I don't think going all Renaissance/Early Modern fitted doublet or anything would look right either, but there's good material in the more rusticated styles shown here to mine I think.
(As an aside, watching these guys work on sodden ground in soft shoes so much, I'm gaining a new appreciation for those short britches the menfolk wear!)


Another point of interest: I can't recall if it was this series or the earlier "Tales from the Green Valley" series the same team did, but one of the women while washing clothes in the river makes an observation I'd not thought of: hard buttons get cracked or broken in the vigorous washing of the period... hence things like points being so common. I think she's probably referring more to linens than woolens, but it's an interesting thought nonetheless.
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Re: Working on a Bree-lander kit

Postby Taurinor » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:21 pm

Finally got my soft kit picture up, so I think I'm ... done? Ish? For now, at least? That doesn't seem right...
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Re: Working on a Bree-lander kit

Postby Iodo » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:41 pm

Nice work :P
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Re: Working on a Bree-lander kit

Postby TaylorSteiner » Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:28 pm

Just awesome :)
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Re: Working on a Bree-lander kit

Postby Greg » Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:41 am

Taurinor wrote:Finally got my soft kit picture up, so I think I'm ... done? Ish? For now, at least? That doesn't seem right...


I keep trying to reach the 'D' word, but it constantly eludes me.
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Re: Working on a Bree-lander kit

Postby Taurinor » Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:21 pm

Greg wrote:
Taurinor wrote:Finally got my soft kit picture up, so I think I'm ... done? Ish? For now, at least? That doesn't seem right...


I keep trying to reach the 'D' word, but it constantly eludes me.


Yeah, I'm not feeling confident about it, hence the "ish". Maybe "at a solid place" is a better way of putting it. Certainly feels more comfortable.
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