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Re: Tinder fungus

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:13 pm
by Kortoso
Keith, I just wanted to throw this in. When I describe how to create sparks with flint and steel, I am at loss to describe the movement using English words. Why? We've been making fire in this way for millenia. The truth is that the meanings of words change as our culture changes.

So anyway, here is the word: strike (v)
Old English strican (past tense strac, past participle stricen) "pass lightly over, stroke, smooth, rub," also "go, move, proceed," from Proto-Germanic *strikan- (source also of Old Norse strykva "to stroke," Old Frisian strika, Middle Dutch streken, Dutch strijken "to smooth, stroke, rub," Old High German strihhan, German streichen), from PIE root *streig- "to stroke, rub, press" (see strigil). Related to streak and stroke, and perhaps influenced in sense development by cognate Old Norse striuka.

Sense of "to deal a blow" developed by early 14c.; meaning "to collide" is from mid-14c.; that of "to hit with a missile" is from late 14c. Meaning "to cancel or expunge" (as with the stroke of a pen) is attested from late 14c. A Middle English sense is preserved in strike for "go toward." Sense of "come upon, find" is from 1835 (especially in mining, well-digging, etc., hence strike it rich, 1854). Baseball sense is from 1853. To strike a balance is from the sense "balance accounts" (1530s).
Hope this is of interest.

Re: Tinder fungus

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:45 pm
by Le-Loup
Kortoso wrote:Keith, I just wanted to throw this in. When I describe how to create sparks with flint and steel, I am at loss to describe the movement using English words. Why? We've been making fire in this way for millenia. The truth is that the meanings of words change as our culture changes.

So anyway, here is the word: strike (v)
Old English strican (past tense strac, past participle stricen) "pass lightly over, stroke, smooth, rub," also "go, move, proceed," from Proto-Germanic *strikan- (source also of Old Norse strykva "to stroke," Old Frisian strika, Middle Dutch streken, Dutch strijken "to smooth, stroke, rub," Old High German strihhan, German streichen), from PIE root *streig- "to stroke, rub, press" (see strigil). Related to streak and stroke, and perhaps influenced in sense development by cognate Old Norse striuka.

Sense of "to deal a blow" developed by early 14c.; meaning "to collide" is from mid-14c.; that of "to hit with a missile" is from late 14c. Meaning "to cancel or expunge" (as with the stroke of a pen) is attested from late 14c. A Middle English sense is preserved in strike for "go toward." Sense of "come upon, find" is from 1835 (especially in mining, well-digging, etc., hence strike it rich, 1854). Baseball sense is from 1853. To strike a balance is from the sense "balance accounts" (1530s).
Hope this is of interest.
Thank you for that, interesting. I get a lot of questions about making fire, & some times I have to go to great lengths to explain the actual movement made to create those sparks.
Keith.
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Re: Tinder fungus

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:09 pm
by Kortoso
The pleasure is mine, Keith.

Here's where it gets weird. Are you ready?
Monkeys, not apes, striking rocks together.
Those Ancient Stone Tools — Did Humans Make Them, Or Was It Really Monkeys?
It's not hard to imagine some random simian behavior turning into tool-making or fire-making.

Re: Tinder fungus

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:47 pm
by Le-Loup
Kortoso wrote:The pleasure is mine, Keith.

Here's where it gets weird. Are you ready?
Monkeys, not apes, striking rocks together.
Those Ancient Stone Tools — Did Humans Make Them, Or Was It Really Monkeys?
It's not hard to imagine some random simian behavior turning into tool-making or fire-making.
Interesting! I guess we will never know the right of this one Kortoso.
Keith.